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it depends on what the tax rates are. the 4% kicker or 04 percent cpi increase in the cost of living over the annuity. you have to look at that in the context of the tax opporunity. you have to be careful. gerri: they always have problems with their family. your advice which i cannot even imagine, learn to say no the families and friends. do you live alone, have no do you live alone, have no family and friends? where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's anotherson more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. ll, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sor about that. [ale announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. are you loing for a plan thateally meets your needs and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medica
it depends on what the tax rates are. the 4% kicker or 04 percent cpi increase in the cost of living over the annuity. you have to look at that in the context of the tax opporunity. you have to be careful. gerri: they always have problems with their family. your advice which i cannot even imagine, learn to say no the families and friends. do you live alone, have no do you live alone, have no family and friends? where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [...
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democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional research service. who is it really helping in the most recent irs tax data show 41 million people claim this deduction on their 2010 taxes, but the tax policy center points out it tends to benefit upper middle class families the most. for those with annual incomes of less than $40,000 a year, the average tax savings is just 91 bucks. for the people earning $250,000 a year, the annual tax savings runs about $5,500, and critics say it's not really helping to boost homeownership. going to talk to one of them in a moment. the homeownership rate in the u.s. is now about 65%. it was up near 70% duri
democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional...
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news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one's. >> and this actually appears to be working. a new poll shows the president is running ahead of the boehner-led republican team. what about basketball you say? we go to charlotte last night, and the knicks treasury secretary, carmelo anthony, top paid and big star got hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. then the at the end it came down to this. >> looking for felton and finds smith. two seconds, one second. smith for the win. >> game over. no overtime. deal, end game, done. is this meaningless nba game in charlotte lead us to how the fiscal fiesta ends? we have a man
news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good...
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tax rates. tax rates. tax rates, tax rates. like tourettes. that is all they want. >>neil: member the middle ground they rumored about last week, maybe not 39.6 percent the top rate, but mid-30's but regardless you think the rate will change. >>guest: i am pessimistic short run and long run. there is in reason why they should go up but i think they will. we need to just limit the growth of spending to 2.5 percent a year on average and the fight is about taxes going up so that spending can go up and that is a game leapfrog. we end up with more debt and a weaker economy. the road map is greece, italy, spain, all over europe but the president thinks you can tax-and-spend your way to prosperity. >>neil: what the administration throws back on the issue is take a look at italy and greece, austerity has worked. you say what? >>guest: they have a strange definition. alwaysst either to them means higher taxes in europe and the united states austerity means less spending. i am in favor of the right definition of austerity. the balkan countries got out of the mess and now they
tax rates. tax rates. tax rates, tax rates. like tourettes. that is all they want. >>neil: member the middle ground they rumored about last week, maybe not 39.6 percent the top rate, but mid-30's but regardless you think the rate will change. >>guest: i am pessimistic short run and long run. there is in reason why they should go up but i think they will. we need to just limit the growth of spending to 2.5 percent a year on average and the fight is about taxes going up so that...
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paid for with your tax dollars. the zombies look scary, but organizers say the skit was solely to add levity to an otherwise serious meeting on protecting the homeland. senator tom coburn says it's just another example of more than $7 billion in questionable homeland security spending every year. >> wow. wasted. >> reporter: in a new report, coburn cites example after example, including nearly $30,000 for an underwater robot in columbus, ohio, the $69,000 hovercraft for indianapolis. and this, the sleepy town of keene, new hampshire, citing the need to secure its annual pumpkin festival was awarded a grant to buy a bearcat armored vehicle. price tag? $240,000. the department of homeland security said the grants make our communities safer places to live. coburn said there is just too much waste. examples are tip of the iceberg? >> sure, all over the government everywhere you look. >> reporter: what? >> waste, incompetence and stupidity. >> reporter: can you ever be too prepared for the zombie apocalypse? jonathan kar
paid for with your tax dollars. the zombies look scary, but organizers say the skit was solely to add levity to an otherwise serious meeting on protecting the homeland. senator tom coburn says it's just another example of more than $7 billion in questionable homeland security spending every year. >> wow. wasted. >> reporter: in a new report, coburn cites example after example, including nearly $30,000 for an underwater robot in columbus, ohio, the $69,000 hovercraft for...
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that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and it's only wednesday. >> right. >> reporter: they are going to go home. they are not going to be in session on thursday or friday. i asked the speaker whether that is got optics for the house to leave town while the fiscal cliff is so close in front of us and that is the answer, that he will be in town, ready, willing, and able to talk to the president at any time. so that was really the issue. the house republican leadership, i tell you, they say they simply don't have any legislation to put on the floor. that's why they are play sending their members home. they are hoping to get the mess
that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and it's only wednesday. >> right. >>...
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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stickhe middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keeall the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductns are actually targeted for upper-ince people. the dmocrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalff the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the ampaign, and the president is still running a political capaign. he's been all o
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan...
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that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter you wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at the end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end of the year. we knew it was going to happen as of january 1, we would be able to say definitively let's capture capital gains and save ourselves money. order, it's definitely not necessary. for the moment, we are saying that we are preparing. we are examining every client accounts so that we are ready to make a move if needed. let's not pull the trigger to set. gerri: one of the things people are concerned about, dividends and dividend paying stocks. wifi on? by southern? what you make of that debate? that is obamacare and that is the law and it is not expirin
that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter you wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at the end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end...
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low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and getting the fight over with and a conference that won't allow it. i think what senator demint is saying and house republicans are saying to john boehner is, let's go over the cliff. that we can live with the sequester and we absolutely will not raise tax rates no matter what. what that does is eliminate all of the tax cuts and then there's a new fight in january to push obviously by the democrats to restore tax cuts for 98% of americans. and then that will be muddied by the need for a debt ceiling increase and the fight goes in to f
low tax small government party. the other party leadership proposes, wait for it, $800 billion in tax increases. it's noted that the democrats have celebrated the proposal put out by president obama. meanwhile, you have a number of republicans slamming speaker boehner. how would you describe his position right now? >> well, he really didn't win for losing. he's trying to say to president obama if i wanted topaz your proposal i can't do it. he's really truly between a deal and promise and...
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no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow more and he can't spend more than what the treasury collects. it's forced to reduce spen spending. that is the only way to get the house in order. >> over the cliff. >> over the cliff. >> juan? >> i hope not. i don't think it's good for most of america. it could be damage for economy struggling to recover. takes us further down the road for what i think is the news of the day. argument over the debt ceiling today. that is one point of the republican lench in the dole. some machiavellian misstep made. he wanted the democrats to
no to taxes. do you any any republicans sent to congress to facilitate the president spending to us oblivion? they no. or they will be sent home. >> president feels like he was elected on a campaign where he mentioned on the stump many times, raising tax rates. >> i understand that. >> but under our system the congress writes the law and president enforces them. if they don't go along with the law that the president wants it won't become the law. then we won't let him borrow...
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all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reduci
all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take...
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tax rates will go up. republicans might let a vote go through on a bill that, you know, extends all the middle-class tax cuts, lets the top 2% expire. say it's a democrat bill, democrats mainly supported it with moderate republicans and senate approve that and throw in unemployment benefits and other stuff. >> and john boehner can't afford to say there's progress being made or people will have his head again. he has to say pleasant but nothing going on. >> i don't know. i think if you believe that this is the truth, you and ayman should do something like if you had mustaches shave them if you lose. >> grow them. >> grow. maybe grow one. >> universal. >> no one wants to see a mustache. >> the mustache karma of david axelrod can be channeled through cnbc's ayman jabbers. >> i'll talk to him about that. >> i checked with ben about that. he will accept payment in pennies if i lose. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> that is downright scrooge-like. ayman jabbers thank you as always for the answers my friend. >> t
tax rates will go up. republicans might let a vote go through on a bill that, you know, extends all the middle-class tax cuts, lets the top 2% expire. say it's a democrat bill, democrats mainly supported it with moderate republicans and senate approve that and throw in unemployment benefits and other stuff. >> and john boehner can't afford to say there's progress being made or people will have his head again. he has to say pleasant but nothing going on. >> i don't know. i think if...
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setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. >> which is worse for the economy? [ inaudible question ] could you include a debt limit that is in the overall package? >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. and if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then we're -- there's going to be some price tag associated with it. >> last question. >> are you standing by your dollar for dollar -- the increase in the debt limit for cuts? >> are i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be
setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal...
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republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax reform has to be the next phase. i hope there's a commitment to it. you know, backing up on the revenue and what republicans need to do, i think the approach that republicans are saying is if there's a number, there are ways to get -- a variety of ways to get to the number. we want to get to a number and do it in a way to stimulate the economy and encourage growth. so there's just lots of ways of getting to a number, and it doesn't have to be that top marginal rate. you can do it through closing of loopholes and capital gains and a number of different ways to do it
republicans have to realize they have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what to get in return. they should demand the year 2013 will be spent putting together a pro-growth and entitlement reform package to put this country on a sound financial footing through 2040. i want to show you what ishg sken boles said. he said while i'm flattered he calls it the bowles plan, it does not represent the simpson-boles plpla plan. >> i almost always agree with brooks. i think serious tax...
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you go lady and raise the taxes. people if the republican party can tut go for that although they will get blamed for the disaster and the train wreck this is coming. >>neil: i tell people to look at coverage and say, did you wonder why republicans are obstinate wanting to hike taxes more, but, democrats are not when they don't want to cut spending? i say you go with the republicans on the tax thing it should be more and should be raised or should be this, fine, then apply the same standard to democrats when it comes to spend cuts. >>guest: one thing the republicans need to do a boater job of is be specific about what they offered and specific about what the democrats have not offered. the other thing i don't think they have yet communicated is that what will this do? president obama has made this such a point of the campaign and now the presidency, that we have to go after the 2 percent. the question is nut to answer him with an answer but 18 it with a question. what will that gain us? can we run the government for
you go lady and raise the taxes. people if the republican party can tut go for that although they will get blamed for the disaster and the train wreck this is coming. >>neil: i tell people to look at coverage and say, did you wonder why republicans are obstinate wanting to hike taxes more, but, democrats are not when they don't want to cut spending? i say you go with the republicans on the tax thing it should be more and should be raised or should be this, fine, then apply the same...
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tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got it. >> after the break, offer ver ses counteroffer. we will break both down with ezra klein when he joins us next on "now." i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our env
tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got...
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tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and then when the economy nose dives he will have to own it. republicans are going to get blamed anyway. do you feel strong about either one of those? >> dana: not necessarily. i do think i see in "washington post," headline, obama offers plan for cliff. plan to be in quotes. the thing that amazes me and the media lets it happen. for eight years or longer now. i had to defend how many times people said on the left, including president obama when he was running for president the first time, the bush tax cuts only help the ri
tax rate goes up. eventually you will get someone out, to get that president out and get president who wants lower tax rates and congress that wants the lower tax rate and maybe a senate. it would hurt dramatically. best time to do it is now. >> andrea: there are two schools of thought here. one if you follow twitter or watch republicans who are on the pundit circle, they say let them go off cliff and let obama own that. there is another one that says just let him have what he wants and...
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a voluntary tax on vintners covers the rest. angel calderon runs the centers. he says the 81-year-old priest created a model for farm worker housing. >> he was a saint because i don't know everybody else in this valley doing that much for the farm workers. >> reporter: father brenkle also cofounded a nonprofit that helped develop more than 900 affordable housing units. >> as i look back, i have a sense of peace and satisfaction. >> reporter: so for his tireless fight for farm worker housing this week's jefferson award in the bay area goes to father john brenkle. sharon chin, cbs 5. >> much deserved. you can nominate your local heroes for a jefferson award online at our website, cbssf.com. >>> with the prince by her side, the duchess of cambridge left a london hospital today after an eventful few days of medical tests, media coverage and one infamous prank call. monica villamizar has the latest. >> reporter: the duchess of cambridge smiled as she made her first public appearance since the royal family announced she is pregnant. she and her husband, prince willia
a voluntary tax on vintners covers the rest. angel calderon runs the centers. he says the 81-year-old priest created a model for farm worker housing. >> he was a saint because i don't know everybody else in this valley doing that much for the farm workers. >> reporter: father brenkle also cofounded a nonprofit that helped develop more than 900 affordable housing units. >> as i look back, i have a sense of peace and satisfaction. >> reporter: so for his tireless fight for...
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i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just go ahead and take it off the table, you know, let's take that leverage away from the president there, but the reality is as a republican who my very core principles are lower taxes, limited government, to just take a solo tax -- or vote on a tax increase with not having everything else there to kind of, you know, give us the sugar to make the medicine go down. that's just not going to fly. most of us aren't going to support that. but i could certainly understand tom's political strategy of trying to take it off the table, then the president may get serious about dealing with all of the other financia
i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just...
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it is like a tax revolt. if washington does not act major league owners will be forced to shell out money. the ipad maybe number one but consumers have more options with a tablet. and just how wasteful has indeed york been? consumers and taxpayers aretomit squeezed. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. yeah, i'm kind of a big deal. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. 731, 732... you want my number, don't you? call 1-800-progressive right now. or visit progressive.com for an extra $50 online savings. thirsty? 'causi got a six-pack right here. oh, yeah... [voice shaking] you don't even have to wait for your
it is like a tax revolt. if washington does not act major league owners will be forced to shell out money. the ipad maybe number one but consumers have more options with a tablet. and just how wasteful has indeed york been? consumers and taxpayers aretomit squeezed. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. you know, from our 4,000 television...
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reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be se
reform with no tax rate hikes. john boehner blasting the president's, quote, la la land offer. that just moments after the president took his plan to the people answering questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you...
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the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys have a way of figuring aue ining out what? said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no. >> you did not -- this is something you were -- okay. >> but, again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. >> i mean, did republican leaders want cole's advice to be leaked? >> of course they did. i mean, and if they didn't want it to be leaked, they wanted it to be repeated. so john boehner has wiggle room. he can look like he's the tough guy to the tea party folks who have to vote him back in as speaker. tom cole is really la
the vote in front of them is going to be to cut taxes. taxes will rise anyway. the bush tax cuts will expire. then they'll bring in legislation saying let's cut taxes for the middle class and every republican out there including john boehner will say i voted for a tax cut, not a tax hike. >> well, here's tom cole speaking with chuck todd about cole's advice to pass the tax extensions for 98% of americans. here it is. rather comical. >> that advice was given in private, but you guys...
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we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama is saying let's go from 35% to the top earners, to 39.6%, same as it was under president clinton, the economy did well. it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over 250,000, would be a trillion deficit -- >> a trillion dollars, henry, is nothing to be sniffed at. some urged the party to extend the bush-era tax cuts, for the households that earn less than $250,000, to insure the taxes don't go up. who cares anyway? >> sure, there is a point in there. i might dispute the numbers. i would argue as the members of my party, i would argue that we have a spendin
we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama...
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legal marijuana sales could also generate washington $500 million a year in taxes and business. opponents worry legalization will lead to more people using drugs. >> this is not what you're going to pick up in a baggy at the corner. >> absolutely not. it's the complete opposite. >> reporter: jamen shively, a former microsoft executive, has plans for up-market marijuana shops. >> we're positioning premium marijuana, very similar to a fine cognac, a fine cigar, something to be safeord something to be consumed in moderation by responsible adults. >> reporter: new stores would be modeled after those in many states it for alcohol. by next month a similar law will go into effect in colorado where residents will be allowed to grow their own marijuana. but all those plans could go up in smoke because of federal law. the justice department said it's studying the situation here in washington but scott, want feds have already warned residents of this state, under federal law all marijuana use remains illegal. >> pelley: plenty of room for confusion. thanks very much john. a change may be c
legal marijuana sales could also generate washington $500 million a year in taxes and business. opponents worry legalization will lead to more people using drugs. >> this is not what you're going to pick up in a baggy at the corner. >> absolutely not. it's the complete opposite. >> reporter: jamen shively, a former microsoft executive, has plans for up-market marijuana shops. >> we're positioning premium marijuana, very similar to a fine cognac, a fine cigar, something...
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were people with untrained would be paying income taxes. liz: the question becomes, what else have you done right to get it at that level which is second only to north dakota? >> >> untrimmed i was just in china two weeks ago. we are prepared to do that. you have to create a tax competitive, job competitive, business friendly environment. the opportunities are with the private sector and we understand that here in nebraska. liz: have you prepared, not one, but two budgets. one taking into account we go over the cliff and the other if we do not go over the cliff. >> i really have not looked at it that way. i am preparing a budget for the next two-year cycle. we are prepared to adjust depending on what happens at the federal level. i do want to remain cautiously optimistic that they will find a deal. put america first. liz: i am glad that you do remain cautiously optimistic. nebraska is a very important state. you yourself have held it up at certain points worried about that. there is apparently, as i understand it, we are hearing from some p
were people with untrained would be paying income taxes. liz: the question becomes, what else have you done right to get it at that level which is second only to north dakota? >> >> untrimmed i was just in china two weeks ago. we are prepared to do that. you have to create a tax competitive, job competitive, business friendly environment. the opportunities are with the private sector and we understand that here in nebraska. liz: have you prepared, not one, but two budgets. one...
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middle class tax cuts to proceed? that's their choice, and i think people like tom cole recognize that it's unsustainable to take the position that nobody gets tax relief because they hold out for folks with 250,000 and over to get this extra tax cut on the portion of their income above 250,000. after all, what the president is saying on that part of your income above 250,000, you're going back to the clinton era tax raites, which is 4 cents on the dollar. >> congressman van hollen, thank you for your time. we'll see what happens next. thank you, sir. >>> we could soon learn who the president wants to be the next secretary of state. chuck todd says a decision could come this week, but as we get closer to a decision, the partisan divide over the potential nomination of susan rice, considered the front-runner, seems to be intensifying. >> when it comes to susan rice as far as lindsey graham is concerned i find great fault with what she said on 16th of september. in other areas i find her lacking when it comes to being t
middle class tax cuts to proceed? that's their choice, and i think people like tom cole recognize that it's unsustainable to take the position that nobody gets tax relief because they hold out for folks with 250,000 and over to get this extra tax cut on the portion of their income above 250,000. after all, what the president is saying on that part of your income above 250,000, you're going back to the clinton era tax raites, which is 4 cents on the dollar. >> congressman van hollen, thank...
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i think that the fiscal cliff and it is a cliff, on january 1 withholding taxes go up to the tune of $400 billion. >> not necessarily. >> it would have a very negative effect on the economy. according to the legislation they would, jared. >> they would not. >> jared, you have to -- >> let me make a point. the treasury secretary can decide if he or she believes a deal sl imminent not to adjust withholding tables. very important. >> i'm talking about no deal and we go off the cliff. >> we go off and stay off. >> it's $400 billion. we have a lot of things to do with regard to our debt ceiling, and my feeling is no one really believes the united states of america is going to default on its debt even if it lapses. we're dealing with different things. one is real and substantive and the other is psychological. >> i really disagree. >> i know you do. >> we could have a good discussion about this if we had more time. the idea that if the debt ceiling lapses, peter, that means that we can no longer borrow from credit markets and can't finance our debt. >> we're doing most of our borrowing rig
i think that the fiscal cliff and it is a cliff, on january 1 withholding taxes go up to the tune of $400 billion. >> not necessarily. >> it would have a very negative effect on the economy. according to the legislation they would, jared. >> they would not. >> jared, you have to -- >> let me make a point. the treasury secretary can decide if he or she believes a deal sl imminent not to adjust withholding tables. very important. >> i'm talking about no deal...
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we see all the taxes raised. which is something he wants more government, the more money for the government, less from the private sector, more for the government. two, the military would have to drastically cut expenditures, he doesn't seem too bothered by that. he could blame republicans for anything that went wrong. do you go that far to think perhaps the president doesn't want a resolution? >> he has not given an indication it is a top priority. a top priority you would try to work with the other side and how you can work with the other side. to make demands that are this far off of where we were starting from, seems to knot be really trying to move forward on this so it does lead one to wonder what he is trying to do. we've got the real problem out there, we've got the fiscal cliff, yes, that's interesting but what is really concerning is hitting that debt ceiling which will probably happen sometime around february. we all remember what that was like in august of 2011 and this group seems to be even less wil
we see all the taxes raised. which is something he wants more government, the more money for the government, less from the private sector, more for the government. two, the military would have to drastically cut expenditures, he doesn't seem too bothered by that. he could blame republicans for anything that went wrong. do you go that far to think perhaps the president doesn't want a resolution? >> he has not given an indication it is a top priority. a top priority you would try to work...
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the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social security thing. >> eric: obama in october of 2008 before he was president obama. season. >> the way bush has done it, over the last eight years is to take out a credit cardback of china in the game of the children, driving up the national debt. that is irresponsible and unpatriotic. >> eric: unpatriotic. $5 trillion in debt. president obama will add ten, 11, 12 trillion in debt. when he is done with this. >> for years, president obama running when he was senator, running for president always said that the bush tax cuts were only for the rich and only benefit the rich. now he says that the republicans ar
the taxes go up 9,000%. writers of the simpson, the taxes will skyrocket. this isn't a joke. >> bob: you are right. but this is not going to happen. there is adjustment to social security. real cuts. >> eric: you know what -- >> bob: can i say something? >> eric: you add ornaments to add things. in obama added this little thing the other day. he said i don't want a debt ceiling or bound like it going for it. debt doesn't matter. >> bob: respond to the social...
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credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that you got to pay part of that revenue toward that debt just like every single american that owns a home pays part of their monthly revenue toward their mortgage debt. it's exactly the same thing. the problem that grover and i have, he says if you do that, that's a tax increase, because the rest of it is going to go to lowering tax rates, and that's not 100% going to lowering tax rates. >> sean: if you're talking about $1.1 trillion or $1.2 trillion in revenue, that's raising taxes. people will pay more. when people pay more -- >> no. >> sean: they're no
credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that...
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taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one, we are talking about federal taxation. if you want to have a argument with your county or city government, new york city and westchester county or long island go have it. >> you are not answering. >> but if you are talking about federal tax, right i'm saying to you i between between 35 and 39 is totally good. >> but that's not addressing it. wait a second. this is not a small issue. after somebody pace their federal, their state, their social security, their property, their car tax, their sales tax, after they are done giving the government their fair share, state, local, federal, what is fair? give me a
taxes, you have been paid sales taxes or hidden taxes, so in the end in big states, people will be paying 60 -- a minimum of 60 cents of every dollar they make to the government. and i ask you, after every american is finished paying their fair share, how much of every dollar should they be allowed to keep, juan? and i want a direct answer. don't dodge, don't duck. what is fair? >> i don't duck. i always am straight with you, sean because i think you deserve an honest answer. number one,...
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you want to talk about paying taxes and your fair share? they're a tax-exempt 501c5 organization. where is ed asner's rage about their escaping and evading their fair share of taxes? i don't hear it. also, let's have a balance. if they're going to show this in the california classrooms, how about an eight-minute video narrated by clint eastwood or my favorite right thinking actor adam baldwin that exposes the truth about occupy and the teachers alliance? they have to make up this urinating image? well, you've got occupiers who have been pooping on police cars. show that to the school kids. >> sean: well said. michelle malkin. great points. thank you for being with us. >> you bet, take care. >>> >> sean: coming up next, liz cheney on the breaking news out of syria. the government stands ready to use sarin nerve gas on its own people. a senior firm confirmed this to fox news. >>> women in egypt are fearing for their lives as sex mobs are preying on the public. the situation is getting dispratt. where is the outrage and the support from the feminists who screamed about the so-called
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gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's happening. on your crawl on the television, dividends paid before december 31st, and why? that behavior's driven by changes in the tax code that are existing law. he's counting on people not paying attention to that. it's the holidays, that's right. they are preparing for christmas, but they have to be worried # about the tax code. gerri: a tax revolt. you'll get more of the same if december 31st passing and nobody does anything. i think everybody's right up to here with what's going on, and you are so nice to talk to us about it. really apprecia
gerri: income tax. >> a payroll tax strictly. it's added to the medicare tax that's taken out, makes a small stop in the trust fund, and funds another program that the president likes. this is the problem. the president is not hoonest with us or the american people. he tells you he loves you and wants to take care of you, but the fact of the matter is, he's going to raise your taxes to a level that, in fact, it's going to kill economic activity in the country. how do we know? look what's...
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we get taxes, will be cut. no, taxes will go up. spend willing be cut. everyone wants, almost everybody wants spending to be cut. what do you think will happen? >> let's look at wall street. what might happen to the 401(k)s or the stocks. last week, boehner said nothing is happening and stocks would plummet. somebody else would say something going on behind the scenes and stocks go up. this is tremendous volatility. this time of year we get santa claus rally, the stocks will rally until the end of the year. but if the taxes go on, on capital gains and dividends, people will start to sell now to have the better, more preferential tax treatment than afterwards. we may see selling in first of the year. >> eric: long-term, think long-term. once we get past that. what will the effect be? what if taxes on dividends go up? >> this is incredible disincentive. especially on the capital gains. to take the risk of investing. when you say long-term, long-term, if you don't need the money you invest in stock market. if you need it in the next five years don't go near
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i can do the rest of my taxes for me. >> greg: adorable. here is where it gets delightful. >> schools, public safety, the roads, parks. libraries. public transportation. all in decline. rich people didn't care. they said get what they deserve. ordinary people wonder why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too! because it will trickle down from us to you. >> greg: ah, yes. is there any better lesson for your kids than saying the rich pee on the poor? you know it's bad when shanghai has more in common with traditional values than california does. we have in-house training film for occupy wall street, guaranteeing another generation of the angry deserved class warriors in ten years. what the video shows is how bitter and ugly progressives can be. for a moment i thought it was a parody but it's real. it's accurate depiction of the envy-driven left than you'll see and brought to you from california teachers. the people who want to put the grimy greedy paws all over your kids' minds among other things.
i can do the rest of my taxes for me. >> greg: adorable. here is where it gets delightful. >> schools, public safety, the roads, parks. libraries. public transportation. all in decline. rich people didn't care. they said get what they deserve. ordinary people wonder why rich people needed so much money. the 1% said don't worry. this is good for you, too! because it will trickle down from us to you. >> greg: ah, yes. is there any better lesson for your kids than saying the rich...
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we know that the tax hikes go up. some estimates -- ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. that would hurt the whole country, of course president obama as well. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. if that indeed happen. >>> the president is also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. actually a republican, chuck hagel. former senator from nebraska. >> it's possible, but this is a real game of musical chairs right now. the president has to fill at least three big jobs, secretary of state, hillary clinton, defense and cia. and if the president does not choose susan rice that means john kerry goes to state and hagel goes to defense. if he chooses kerr
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instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a crazy idea. i'm amazed that secretary geithner had the courage to float that yesterday. hence the laughter from senator mcconnell. that's the kind of response it deserves. >> they are laughing in public, but they are panicking behind closed doors. conservative writer matt lewis, writer for "the daily caller", the notion that republicans have leverage is silly. it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly-predicting a romney victory. he said republicans are so screwed. this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to h
instead of raising tax rates, we can produce a similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. >> no, no, no. republicans are not getting the mitt romney tax proposal. time to move on speaker boehner. republicans are furious about the white house proposal. mitch mcconnell told the weekly standard he burst into laughter when he received the deal. the new second ranking republican in the senate john cornyn also disparaged the deal. >> that's a...
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we know that the tax hikes go up. ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. >>> the president also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up yesterday is a replacement for leon panetta at the defense department. >> it's possible, this is a real game of musical chairs right now. the president has to fill at least three big jobs, secretary of state, cia. if the president does not choose susan rice that means kerry goes to state and hagel goes to defense. we just don't know right now. all of those names are in play as we talk. >> this wouldn't be his first republican secretary of defense as well. bob gates. all right, george. >>> don't miss george's interview with treasury secretary geithner
we know that the tax hikes go up. ben bernanke, the fed chairman, fears that it will throw the country into a recession. they have to be careful here as well. but democrats and the president clearly believe that they have the leverage to force an increase in these tax rates on the upper income americans before they agree to a deal. >> we'll all be watching the stock market as well. >>> the president also concentrating on recasting his new cabinet and one name that came up...
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and then there's the tax hike on higher-earning americans. republicans aren't buying it. >> there is just no reason why 98% of americans have to see their taxes go up because some members of congress on the republican side want to block the tax rate increases for 2% of the wealthiest americans. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, you can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. >> if they cannot reach a deal by new year's day, nearly every american will end up paying more in taxes. >>> public school students in five states will soon spend a lot more time in the classroom. a new three-year pilot program will be announced today in colorado, connecticut, massachusetts, new york, and tennessee. 20,000 students at those select schools will spend an extra 300 hours per term in class starting next year. it will be up to local districts to decide if school days or school years should be extenzed. >>> very interesting approach there. >>> and a church in boston could soon be seeing a huge influx of cash, but not everyone
and then there's the tax hike on higher-earning americans. republicans aren't buying it. >> there is just no reason why 98% of americans have to see their taxes go up because some members of congress on the republican side want to block the tax rate increases for 2% of the wealthiest americans. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, you can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. >> if they cannot reach a deal by new year's day, nearly every...
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hard to make the case for raising taxes when you see some of the crap our taxes go for. you know what i mean? those stories do not help the cause for capitol hill. >> waste management. >> the government. coming up next, who was planning to make money now off the david petraeus sex scandal? >> we have breaking celebrity news involving a quarterback and a supermodel next in the skinny. >> announcer: "world news now" ♪ skinny so skinny >> skinny in the house! >> skinny's in the house! >> oh, willis. >> you know who is in the house? another baby for gisele bundchen and her quarterback of a husband tom brady. >> pushed it out. >> that is horrible. let's hope you are not in the delivery room someday. i'm not. i'm in the lobby. >> boston.com, she gave birth to a bouncing baby girl, vivian. the third child for tom. he has a son with his ex, bridgette moynihan. the second child for this couple now -- they have a 2-year-old son benjamin and a girl, vivian. not sure it is a water birth. remember, she famously said little pain. she had the baby at home. all was well. she was a siz
hard to make the case for raising taxes when you see some of the crap our taxes go for. you know what i mean? those stories do not help the cause for capitol hill. >> waste management. >> the government. coming up next, who was planning to make money now off the david petraeus sex scandal? >> we have breaking celebrity news involving a quarterback and a supermodel next in the skinny. >> announcer: "world news now" ♪ skinny so skinny >> skinny in the...
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and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something on the table or is that not going to happen until like the 30th, 31st of the month? >> well, what i would say is in the white house's initial offer they did offer $400 billion in medicare cuts. and that is something that i think the republicans should actually like as a starting point because clearly the white house knows that they are going to have to go up from there. and bob corker the senator from tennessee who was also on "meet the press" yesterday has proposed some legislation that instead cuts $641 million out of medicare. we'll see some scale
and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something...
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>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and you think a normal human being with, you know, would be ashamed of that lack of intellectual honesty, should be. >> it's fascinating economic dri that costco is borrowing the money to pay this dividend. now, usually when companies pay dividends, it's out of earnings, right? >> yes, retained earnings, in this case, they're borrowing, taking on more debt, not to invest in the business in the future growth, but for a one-time equity pay out. >> and to worry about interest rates are low thanks to ben bernanke. >>, but this shows the tax rates combined with very low bore heing costs and instead of investing in growth, y
>> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are going to get hit with the obama taxes and really, i mean, you look at that and...